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no1b4

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Posted: Aug. 21 2008, 3:57 pm

Which episodes set-up the future's past and how do they weave into the tapestry of the next voyage?

Edited by no1b4 on Aug. 21 2008, 3:57 pm

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jaksajak

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Posted: Aug. 21 2008, 4:07 pm

I would say welcome to the boards, but I see you're a Super Admin? I believe that all, some, or none of the ENT episodes set up the future's past and weave into the tapestry of the next voyage, depending on what you choose to believe. Any specifics?

Middleman

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Posted: Aug. 21 2008, 4:21 pm

I believe the "next voyages" should be what we should have gotten in seasons 5-7 of Enterprise: The Romulan War, the founding of the Federation and stories around the beginning of the new Federation. Paramount should clearly use the better characters (but not all) that were created in Enterprise in addition to new ones and move the story froward.

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Posted: Aug. 21 2008, 4:24 pm

Quote (jaksajak @ Aug. 21 2008, 4:07 pm)

Enterprise is canon and needs to be a part of all "future voyages"

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jaksajak

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Posted: Aug. 21 2008, 4:30 pm

I agree that ENT is canon, but some fans may not choose to view it as canon. Its possible the new movie may ignore ENT, or perhaps they will make a reference to it in some small way. Either way, I'm not overly concerned.

trekbuff

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Posted: Aug. 21 2008, 5:11 pm

Quote (no1b4 @ Aug. 21 2008, 3:57 pm)

Which episodes set-up the future's past and how do they weave into the tapestry of the next voyage?

The thought of a general continuation of Star Trek: Enterprise puts a knot in my stomache.

A better approach would be something like Star Trek: Federation - A few years of exploration with character stories, meeting/becoming more familiar with the alien species of that time and bits and pieces of Romulan spying and such; The Romulan War arc; Finally, the formation of the UFP and its early growing pains.

The Temporal Cold War and the Xindi War were simply too much matters of contention within the Trek fan community to purposefully continue with any reference to these story arcs. As the TCW was supposedly reset, that subject is, hopefully, gone. The Xindi war could be mentioned in passing as there wasn't generally much said in detail about World Wars I, II or III in any of the Trek series. Like... The hole left by the Xindi weapon could be referred to as Lake Hope. This should apply to a voyage/series for any Trek timeframe.

I presume this "next voyage" would be going for the largest fan base.

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Posted: Aug. 22 2008, 4:51 am

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Which episodes set-up the future's past and how do they weave into the tapestry of the next voyage?

I am sorry, may I ask you to rephrase this question or explain what it means? I am not sure I understand it clearly, very sorry. :blush:

akebono62

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Posted: Aug. 22 2008, 11:09 am

Quote (ENT567 @ Aug. 22 2008, 1:51 am)

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Which episodes set-up the future's past and how do they weave into the tapestry of the next voyage?

I am sorry, may I ask you to rephrase this question or explain what it means? I am not sure I understand it clearly, very sorry. :blush:

How do we put this jisaw puzzle together in a way that works AND pays proper respect to the past, present and future?

Simple.

Fix all the perceived canon issues of any major consequence and get some writers that are not only talented but know the franchise.

Get some quality actors.

Find someone that knows how to direct and knows how to direct sci-fi.

Hire a good cinematographer.

Gather the rest of the production crew based on ability, not extreme economy.

jaksajak

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Posted: Aug. 22 2008, 1:44 pm

I agree akebono, and its possible the new movie could accomplish all that you mentioned.

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Posted: Aug. 22 2008, 2:57 pm

Quote (no1b4 @ Aug. 21 2008, 3:57 pm)

Which episodes set-up the future's past and how do they weave into the tapestry of the next voyage?

Welcome to the new Mod...

I must say I'm a bit confused...

Are you asking what episodes of ENT tie directly into episodes of TOS or even TNG?

:logical:

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trekbuff

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Posted: Aug. 22 2008, 4:04 pm

Quote (starbase63 @ Aug. 22 2008, 2:57 pm)

Quote (no1b4 @ Aug. 21 2008, 3:57 pm)

Which episodes set-up the future's past and how do they weave into the tapestry of the next voyage?

Welcome to the new Mod...

I must say I'm a bit confused...

Are you asking what episodes of ENT tie directly into episodes of TOS or even TNG?

:logical:

Sure, C.

Which episodes of ENT are Trek histroical, Trek canonical. Which episodes set the stage for what was to come later in Trek, especially the time between ENT and TOS. Which episodes don't have anything to do with the TCW, the XW, phase weapons, photonic torpedoes and other items which either ignored or tip-toed on the edge of accepted canon, canon being known Trek history.

no1b4's question was obvious and very clear. I can understand why it wouldn't be clear to those who have found a way to justify everything in ENT as canon or who simply don't care about canon. Look at two not understanding the question, you and ENT567. That should tell you something. :logical:

I'm not busting anyone's chops, C. You know me better than that. But, it is an interesting observation.

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ENT567

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Posted: Aug. 23 2008, 1:10 pm

trekbuff, I'd say it's a pre-concepted observation.

In fact, in the first place I simply don't get the meaning of the English structure of no1b4's question (my English is not that good).
Secondly, I don't get the title of the thread either.
And finally, I'm not even sure what exactly no1b4 is talking about - no title of any film is mentioned there. :eyesroll:

jaksajak

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Posted: Aug. 23 2008, 1:21 pm

I agree that the question isn't very clear or specific: Which episodes set-up the future's past and how do they weave into the tapestry of the next voyage?

One could answer that all ENT episodes do this, because these episodes are all canon, and take place before the other Trek shows in continuity.

One could answer that only some ENT episodes do this, because there are certain discontinuities in ENT canon, and may not coincide with certain future canon events.

One could also answer that none of the ENT episodes do this, because ENT was cancelled, not successful, was not 'noticed' by the general public, and did not make a huge cultural impact. There were also certain discontinuities that fans are still pissing on themselves about today.

Is this a thread to point out which ENT episodes relate to the rest of Trek, and which ones have discontinuities? Does a discontinuity in Trek means something does not relate, or does it still relate despite the error? Why is this thread titled 'official thread' by an Admin, is it going to be pinned? Was this thread designed to see how fans think ENT relates to the rest of Trek? I agree with ENT567 and starbase that the thread is unclear and they don't deserve to be ridiculed for pointing some of these things out.

trekbuff

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Posted: Aug. 23 2008, 1:53 pm

I tried to explain this to sb63 and just knew you, also, wouldn't understand it either. Read what I said to him...

Quote (ENT567 @ Aug. 23 2008, 1:10 pm)

trekbuff, I'd say it's a pre-concepter observation.

Ya lost me on that one...

Quote (ENT567 @ Aug. 23 2008, 1:10 pm)

In fact, in the first place I simply don't get the meaning of the English structure of no1b4's question (my English is not that good).

(Your english is fine.)

"Which episodes..": As this is the Enterprise board, which episodes of Enterprise.

"..set-up the future's past..": ...can be used as historical reference for future series or movies in the Trekverse...

"..and how do they weave into the tapestry of the next voyage?": ..and how would/could the events of those episodes be used or referenced within those future series or movies?

Quote (ENT567 @ Aug. 23 2008, 1:10 pm)

Secondly, I don't get the title of the thread either.

"Redux & Revival": If there were to be another series or a movie concerning the timeframe of Enterprise. "Redux": A new series such as Star Trek: Federation. "Revival": If a series or movie would be a continuation of Enterprise after season 4.
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Quote (ENT567 @ Aug. 23 2008, 1:10 pm)

And finally, I'm not even sure what exactly no1b4 is talking about - no title of any film is mentioned there. :eyesroll:

See "Redux & Revival"

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trekbuff

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Posted: Aug. 23 2008, 2:37 pm

Quote (jaksajak @ Aug. 23 2008, 1:21 pm)

I agree with ENT567 and starbase that the thread is unclear and they don't deserve to be ridiculed for pointing some of these things out.

No one ridiculed ENT567 or sb63. ENT567 and I are becomming friends here and sb63 and I have been friends for seven years. I knew their mindsets concerning Enterprise canon or not really caring about canon would relate to problems in understanding no1b4's question. It's interesting considering your opinion that ENT is canon and you also say the thread (question) is unclear. Yet, your posts in this thread show to me you understand the thread post quite clearly. Your "One could..." comments were great and right on the mark.

ENT567 did not take offense where none was given. He even opened the verbal door for my help in his understanding of the title and topic thread. Besides, ENT567 is quite able to defend his opinions, trust me.

Starbase63? Well, he's starbase63. Nuff said.

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ENT567

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Posted: Aug. 23 2008, 3:37 pm

To jaksajak:
Thank you for your unprejudiced thinking and understanding!

To T.:

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Ya lost me on that one...

I meant your observation was "pre-concepted", i.e. preconceived, biased to me.

I can only repeat all I said earlier about my having troubles to understand what the original poster means.

I appreciate your explanation, but would be better if no1b4 explained what was meant.

Until then, nothing has helped my understanding so far, sorry.

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Posted: Aug. 23 2008, 3:58 pm

Quote (no1b4 @ Aug. 20 2008, 4:57 pm)

Which episodes set-up the future's past and how do they weave into the tapestry of the next voyage?

TATV explains everything. Be sure to rewatch it.

The reboot will fix all of the mess created.

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Posted: Aug. 23 2008, 4:14 pm

Quote (DrGojira @ Aug. 23 2008, 3:58 pm)

Quote (no1b4 @ Aug. 20 2008, 4:57 pm)

Which episodes set-up the future's past and how do they weave into the tapestry of the next voyage?

TATV explains everything. Be sure to rewatch it.

The reboot will fix all of the mess created.

Yep they should start from scratch and creat new canon while still preserving the old canon. This way the old canon can be still enjoyed by the current Trek fans.

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ENT567

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Posted: Aug. 29 2008, 5:34 am

I've noticed the site's home page has been revamped, and this thread's question is put under "Enterprise" (the question appears after you click on "Enterprise") in the box "Star Trek Community" at the right side of the page. But I still find it difficult to clearly understand the question...

The questions concerning the other series are quite clear to me, but ENT's question is not.

akebono62

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Posted: Aug. 29 2008, 6:58 am

Quote (ENT567 @ Aug. 23 2008, 10:10 am)

"Which episodes set-up the future's past and how do they weave into the tapestry of the next voyage?"

If you were trying to create a story arc for the beginning of a new series that picked up where "Enterprise" left off and was dedicated to the continuance of the Star Trek universe, what ENT episodes would you use as inspiration/ a foundation for that new series?

"Redux and Revival"?

Re-tooled and Re-launched

I believe that conveys the intent of the OP.

ENT567

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Posted: Aug. 29 2008, 7:35 am

akebono62, thanks for the explanation of no-one-before's question, I understand it better now.

But, now I don't get if they really ask about a re-launch of ENT, or they're talking about some totally different new series?

If ENT's re-launch (which I would love to see), then TGTMD's material seems a logical way to go on with (we discuss it in another thread).

If a new series and totally new characters... Then, why some particular ep of ENT would be needed as a foundation for that?

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"Redux and Revival"? Re-tooled and Re-launched

Do these words really imply a revival for ENT? Is there any particular reason why no-one-before chose that title?

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Posted: Aug. 29 2008, 8:23 am

Sorry, T, but the wording to me just wasn't very clear, and it seems I wasn't alone.

Just didn't want to misinterpret no1's request.

:logical:

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akebono62

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Posted: Aug. 29 2008, 2:49 pm

Quote (ENT567 @ Aug. 29 2008, 4:35 am)

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"Redux and Revival"? Re-tooled and Re-launched

Do these words really imply a revival for ENT? Is there any particular reason why no-one-before chose that title?

If "they" are cryptic enough, "they" get "their" message across and still commit "themselves" to nothing.

We have no idea whose interests no1b4 represents, so it is hard to say for sure.

jaksajak

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Posted: Aug. 31 2008, 5:30 am

Oh I get what this thread is for.
They're linking certain 'hot topics' to the new front page design, and this is the one for ENT.
The new site content is looking great, btw.

Haimzy

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Posted: Sep. 16 2008, 3:24 pm

I wonder if the powers that be are testing the waters to see if people would like to see ST:ENT come back? I would, but it would mean ignoring "These are the Voyages". It was done with Highlander [the 3rd movie picked up after the 1st and ignored the 2nd]. It would also mean bringing back as many of the core characters as possible [SB,CT,DK,& JB would HAVE to come back]. In the right hands ENT could be better than it ever was.